Comments on: Sally Kern Has the Right to Free Speech http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/ Hollywood Grind is an edgy blog specializing in celebrity scandal, juicy gossip, and trainwrecks. Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:53:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Henry http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-27675 Henry Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:38:21 +0000 http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/#comment-27675 Sally Kern spoke the truth and nothing but the truth. How can stating facts be equated with being critical? Jesus never apologized to the teachers of the law and Pharisees after calling them hypocrites, blind guides, snakes, brood of vipers, and the devil's offsprings, because those were the facts. You can either follow Christ by calling it like it is, or you can follow the world by being politically correct, diverse, affirming, tolerant, and all-inclusive. But you cannot do both Sally Kern spoke the truth and nothing but the truth. How can stating facts be equated with being critical? Jesus never apologized to the teachers of the law and Pharisees after calling them hypocrites, blind guides, snakes, brood of vipers, and the devil’s offsprings, because those were the facts. You can either follow Christ by calling it like it is, or you can follow the world by being politically correct, diverse, affirming, tolerant, and all-inclusive. But you cannot do both

]]> By: Rob http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-18064 Rob Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:40:26 +0000 http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/#comment-18064 Sally certainly has the right to free speech. No one is denying that. However there are a few things that come with free speech that she seems to have forgotten: 1. Responsibility. It is irresponsible to yell "Fire" in a crowded theatre, when there isn't one, becuase people will panic, violence may happen and people may be hurt or killed. It is likewise irresponsible to liken a minority group to terrorism because it may result in inciting violence with someone getting hurt or killed. 2. Accountability. If you are going to exercise your right to free speech in a public setting, and if you are an elected official with the responsibility of representing ALL of you rconstituents, you must be able to back up what you are saying. Sally cannot do this. and 3. Consequences. Sometimes there are consequences relating to the thoughtless use of free speech, and that, ladies and gentlemen, is what Ms. Kern is currently experiencing. BTW, with regard to dealing with discrimination and bigotry, there is a documentary called "Blue Eyes" with Jane Elliott that is very good. Sally certainly has the right to free speech. No one is denying that. However there are a few things that come with free speech that she seems to have forgotten:

1. Responsibility. It is irresponsible to yell “Fire” in a crowded theatre, when there isn’t one, becuase people will panic, violence may happen and people may be hurt or killed. It is likewise irresponsible to liken a minority group to terrorism because it may result in inciting violence with someone getting hurt or killed.

2. Accountability. If you are going to exercise your right to free speech in a public setting, and if you are an elected official with the responsibility of representing ALL of you rconstituents, you must be able to back up what you are saying. Sally cannot do this.

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3. Consequences. Sometimes there are consequences relating to the thoughtless use of free speech, and that, ladies and gentlemen, is what Ms. Kern is currently experiencing.

BTW, with regard to dealing with discrimination and bigotry, there is a documentary called “Blue Eyes” with Jane Elliott that is very good.

]]> By: Benthead http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-17923 Benthead Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:04:23 +0000 http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/#comment-17923 You have a basic problem of logic here. If someone objects to an abusive (and error-filled) tirade against gays, that person is not being intolerant of heterosexuality. Quite obviously, the objection is not to Kern's (hetero)sexuality, or even to her personal belief that homosexuality is wrong. It is an objection to hate speech, to false and abusive language that claims gay people are so loathsome and dangerous they will destroy the country. Sure, Kern has the right to speak this view. But it is an outrageous view for everyone who doesn't hate gay people, and we have a right to criticize her and call for her to lose her public office. You have a basic problem of logic here. If someone objects to an abusive (and error-filled) tirade against gays, that person is not being intolerant of heterosexuality. Quite obviously, the objection is not to Kern’s (hetero)sexuality, or even to her personal belief that homosexuality is wrong. It is an objection to hate speech, to false and abusive language that claims gay people are so loathsome and dangerous they will destroy the country.

Sure, Kern has the right to speak this view. But it is an outrageous view for everyone who doesn’t hate gay people, and we have a right to criticize her and call for her to lose her public office.

]]> By: C.Hunter http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-17908 C.Hunter Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:20:56 +0000 http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/#comment-17908 Please tell me how her spreading fear and hate is simply exercising free speech?! Inciting violence is more like it! This article defending her hateful, ignorance sounds like it was written by her family. I don't want her to give a false apology. First of all she wouldn't mean it, secondly we should know who the bigots are so we can vote them out! Heterosexual intolerance? Spreading gay agenda? Really?! Is wanting equal rights and protection as promised in the Constitution spreading gay agenda? Is that what African americans did when they fought for the right to vote etc? You say it's wrong that gays are speaking out against her spreading hate and should embrace her?!? I don't hear any gay people saying being hetero is wrong. Hypocites that need to accept people?! Funny how gays are always the ones that need to accept people and turn the other cheek while being bashed! Freedom of speech swings both ways?! NOT!!! That's a joke! You probably won't print this but I had to speak out. Please tell me how her spreading fear and hate is simply exercising free speech?! Inciting violence is more like it! This article defending her hateful, ignorance sounds like it was written by her family. I don’t want her to give a false apology. First of all she wouldn’t mean it, secondly we should know who the bigots are so we can vote them out! Heterosexual intolerance? Spreading gay agenda? Really?! Is wanting equal rights and protection as promised in the Constitution spreading gay agenda? Is that what African americans did when they fought for the right to vote etc? You say it’s wrong that gays are speaking out against her spreading hate and should embrace her?!? I don’t hear any gay people saying being hetero is wrong. Hypocites that need to accept people?! Funny how gays are always the ones that need to accept people and turn the other cheek while being bashed! Freedom of speech swings both ways?! NOT!!! That’s a joke! You probably won’t print this but I had to speak out.

]]> By: McVicker http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-17857 McVicker Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:19:51 +0000 http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/#comment-17857 Sally Kern's ugly remarks reflect horribly not only on the state of Oklahoma, but on our nation. The only people I have ever known to push an agenda or a lifestyle are the right-wing Christian fundamentalists. What they too often seem to forget is that not all Americans are Christians who believe that the bible is the word of God. As for her equating homosexuality with terrorism? Tell that to the families of the victims of the Oklahoma City bombing and September 11. As for her claims that not all religions are equal, I'd like her to explain which ones are better ... and why. Sally Kern is a perfect example of what is wrong with America. She is a national disgrace. Shame on her! Sally Kern’s ugly remarks reflect horribly not only on the state of Oklahoma, but on our nation.

The only people I have ever known to push an agenda or a lifestyle are the right-wing Christian fundamentalists. What they too often seem to forget is that not all Americans are Christians who believe that the bible is the word of God.

As for her equating homosexuality with terrorism? Tell that to the families of the victims of the Oklahoma City bombing and September 11.

As for her claims that not all religions are equal, I’d like her to explain which ones are better … and why.

Sally Kern is a perfect example of what is wrong with America. She is a national disgrace.

Shame on her!

]]> By: Teri Crews http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-17856 Teri Crews Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:23:30 +0000 http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/#comment-17856 The issue is freedom of speech. Many people don't believe in homosexuality being "God given". There are many who have been in that life style who have gotten out who will tell you it is not. According to our paper the parts on UTUBE are edited to make it sound like hate speech. She was talking to 50 people not a convention hall full. The issue is freedom of speech. Many people don’t believe in homosexuality being “God given”. There are many who have been in that life style who have gotten out who will tell you it is not. According to our paper the parts on UTUBE are edited to make it sound like hate speech. She was talking to 50 people not a convention hall full.

]]> By: josh http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-17841 josh Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:43:25 +0000 http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/#comment-17841 You are correct in saying that people have the right of free speech. However, as an elected official, Ms Kern does not have the right to marginalize a whole minority in her electorate. With free speech comes responsibility. God bless the voters who also have the right to vote her right on out of office. You are correct in saying that people have the right of free speech. However, as an elected official, Ms Kern does not have the right to marginalize a whole minority in her electorate. With free speech comes responsibility.
God bless the voters who also have the right to vote her right on out of office.

]]> By: Bob Murphy http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-17840 Bob Murphy Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:34:21 +0000 http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/#comment-17840 E-mail sent to Rep. Kern: OK. State Rep. Kern: What do you think "hate" speech is? Comparing a group of people to terrorists and radical Islamists isn't HATE SPEECH? No one would disagree that you can criticize any so-called "lifestyle," or "values," or agenda you want, but your language is demagoguery; as inflammatory as any ever used by the late George Wallace, or Louis Farrakhan, or that ridiculous Baptist group from Wichita. Is that whom you align with - Fred Phelps? Picketed any soldier's funeral lately? You are not a Christian. Jesus Christ would NEVER speak the way you have done: attempting to incite violence against a group which has done NO personal harm to you or to the food people of OK.,- have they? Yes violence - because our military forces are fighting the groups to whom you compare homosexuals. Jesus Christ NEVER even mentioned homosexuality. You espouse tracts of the Old Testament which have been roundly discredited by reputable churches and preachers. Do you believe women are chattel? Do you believe in slavery? Do you eat shellfish? All are referenced in the Old Testament along with atrocities far worse than water-boarding. Such references have to merit in modern Christianity. You have shown yourself to be an extraordinarily ignorant person. You probably believe most gay people are pedophiles too. They orient two year olds? My god such ignorance! Nobody wants your apology. Everyone I know who has heard your hateful rant - just want you to go back to elementary school, to Bible School, any school - and learn that Christianity is supposed to be a religion of peace and love. You really ought to be put into some kind of intern camp, like the Japanese in WW II. We pray to God that you do not have children and that the good people of Oklahoma (Tim McVey anyone?) will vote you out of office in the next election. My God, my God, Jesus - Lord, please show this woman the gates of hell. E-mail sent to Rep. Kern:
OK. State Rep. Kern:

What do you think “hate” speech is?

Comparing a group of people to terrorists and radical Islamists isn’t HATE SPEECH?

No one would disagree that you can criticize any so-called “lifestyle,” or “values,” or agenda you want, but your language is demagoguery; as inflammatory as any ever used by the late George Wallace, or Louis Farrakhan, or that ridiculous Baptist group from Wichita. Is that whom you align with – Fred Phelps?
Picketed any soldier’s funeral lately?

You are not a Christian. Jesus Christ would NEVER speak the way you have done: attempting to incite violence against a group which has done NO personal harm to you or to the food people of OK.,- have they? Yes violence – because our military forces are fighting the groups to whom you compare homosexuals.

Jesus Christ NEVER even mentioned homosexuality. You espouse tracts of the Old Testament which have been roundly discredited by reputable churches and preachers. Do you believe women are chattel? Do you believe in slavery? Do you eat shellfish? All are referenced in the Old Testament along with atrocities far worse than water-boarding. Such references have to merit in modern Christianity.

You have shown yourself to be an extraordinarily ignorant person. You probably believe most gay people are pedophiles too. They orient two year olds? My god such ignorance!

Nobody wants your apology. Everyone I know who has heard your hateful rant – just want you to go back to elementary school, to Bible School, any school – and learn that Christianity is supposed to be a religion of peace and love.

You really ought to be put into some kind of intern camp, like the Japanese in WW II.

We pray to God that you do not have children and that the good people of Oklahoma (Tim McVey anyone?) will vote you out of office in the next election.

My God, my God, Jesus – Lord, please show this woman the gates of hell.

]]> By: John http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-17828 John Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:23:02 +0000 http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/#comment-17828 The issue isn't about free speech. It is about the fact that she has labeled the God-given sexual orientation of homosexual Americans as a greater threat to this country than people who fly jetliners into skyscrapers and threaten to kill millions with nuclear devices. Talk about misplaced priorities. She has the right to say what she wants, and the majority of Americans who find it repugnant have the right to call it as they see it - hate speech. The issue isn’t about free speech. It is about the fact that she has labeled the God-given sexual orientation of homosexual Americans as a greater threat to this country than people who fly jetliners into skyscrapers and threaten to kill millions with nuclear devices. Talk about misplaced priorities.

She has the right to say what she wants, and the majority of Americans who find it repugnant have the right to call it as they see it – hate speech.

]]> By: tantrakus http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-17822 tantrakus Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:19:54 +0000 http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/sally-kern-has-the-right-to-free-speech/#comment-17822 You're saying that it's ok for Kerns to want the gay lobby to be pushed out of politics, or to silence the gay lobby (to put it another way). But then you say that it's not fair for the gay lobby to press for Kerns to be silenced also. Nice double-standard there. You’re saying that it’s ok for Kerns to want the gay lobby to be pushed out of politics, or to silence the gay lobby (to put it another way).
But then you say that it’s not fair for the gay lobby to press for Kerns to be silenced also.

Nice double-standard there.

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